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 Post subject: Ace Attorney Investigations 2
PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 9:41 am 
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Won't be available in English. Begin your crying now. :cry:

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 Post subject: Re: Ace Attorney Investigations 2
PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 10:01 am 
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I've known this for a while. Honestly getting The LaytonXPhoenix game doesn't seem too likely either.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:28 am 
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oneshotfinch wrote:
I've known this for a while. Honestly getting The LaytonXPhoenix game doesn't seem too likely either.


they already said no to this as well

as well ascancelling MM LEgends 3. Capcom is seriously a buttload of fail right now


I guess they see paying a dude to translate text as a waste of money to a franchise that sells well

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 Post subject: Re: Ace Attorney Investigations 2
PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 12:22 pm 
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a franchise that sells well


You'd think, but I'm guessing Ace Attorney Investigations 1 didn't sell as well for whatever reason. Either because the game was too different or people are burnt out on the formula. It pisses me off because this one was supposed to feature Shelly De Killer again, which was kind of a HUGE fucking thing.

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 Post subject: Re: Ace Attorney Investigations 2
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a franchise that sells well


You'd think, but I'm guessing Ace Attorney Investigations 1 didn't sell as well for whatever reason. Either because the game was too different or people are burnt out on the formula. It pisses me off because this one was supposed to feature Shelly De Killer again, which was kind of a HUGE fucking thing.


I don't believe CapCom for a second. in the end its just not "Westernized" for them. Not because it didnt make huge bucks.

They drop all these good and unique games and push the horrid stuff like DmC(despite mostly everyone's reticule) and multiple versions of the same game (see Street Fighter)

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CUH-CUH-CROSS EXAMINATION *boom*


Oh wait. This isn't good news. :cry:

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Uh, about the Ace Attorney games...

http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/sales/33 ... edgeworth/

Miles didn't sell that well in the states, so that decision makes sense, sadly.

As for MML3, after trying to sell people an unfinished product with the promise that if they buy it they may finish it, I sort of knew that was going to go over as about as well as ET did on the Atari.

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 Post subject: Re: Ace Attorney Investigations 2
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I think my biggest concern is as follows... if they make, y'know Ace Attorney #4 or Apollo Justice #2, SOMEWHERE there's going to be a connection to Ace Attorney #2, whether a returning character or an important plot point, or whatever, and I'm going to be all pissed off about the missing content.

It's like when jRPGs get ported over in their 4th or 5th incarnations and we don't have translated versions of the earlier titles, etc. or they just randomly skip around and leave you hanging.

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Kind of saw this coming. I'm not surprised, considering it is Capcom. I've been trying out the Phoenix Wright series, and I really like them (now if only they would release 2 and 3 on the App Store like in Japan (I don't have a DS)), and I agree with Link. It's kind of irritating when fans get left out of a major plot point that carries on to the next release.

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Here's the other thing... they said "Oh hey, we might release this in some other format down the road."

Well, guess what dumb fucks, you'll still have to pay somebody to translate it! So... how the fuck are you going to save any money doing this later as opposed to now?

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 Post subject: Re: Ace Attorney Investigations 2
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funnies thing about the Phoenix Wright games. it could take a team of like 5 people to work on a chapter each for at the most a month and have it done since its all just damn text :/

CapCom has been shafting us frequently lately and they have nearly become just a joke to me anymore

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Kakeh wrote:
funnies thing about the Phoenix Wright games. it could take a team of like 5 people to work on a chapter each for at the most a month and have it done since its all just damn text :/

CapCom has been shafting us frequently lately and they have nearly become just a joke to me anymore

How do you know that? And what about the advertising costs, paying proper translators, shipping, packing, ect? You've even ignored the touch screen and mic additions in the games.

The facts are that the game sold rather poorly. I want it bad, but this is one thing I'm not pissed at Capcom over. Now everything else I'm rather pissed over, but this is perfectly understandable business.

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 Post subject: Re: Ace Attorney Investigations 2
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funnies thing about the Phoenix Wright games. it could take a team of like 5 people to work on a chapter each for at the most a month and have it done since its all just damn text :/

CapCom has been shafting us frequently lately and they have nearly become just a joke to me anymore

How do you know that? And what about the advertising costs, paying proper translators, shipping, packing, ect? You've even ignored the touch screen and mic additions in the games.

The facts are that the game sold rather poorly. I want it bad, but this is one thing I'm not pissed at Capcom over. Now everything else I'm rather pissed over, but this is perfectly understandable business.


for one, they never really advertise those games. secondly almost everything is left untouched from the japanese port aside from the text since that is all that is really different unless they have a small image here or there to edit. The shipping and packaging is never really a concern unless the game sells just that badly and they cant even cover those costs which is very rare unless its E.T.

The mic thing never worked. you could just go AH!!! and it would work. the touch screen would remain virtually untouched as all you do is tap it and its not like they ever change the interface. the most ever changed is the text. This is why atlus digs in to a lot of handhelds anymore especially on the DS. most DS games don't even have Voice overs so all they do is give a little of money for text translation and its an easy cash in. Shipping and Packaging ain't much of anything. and Atlus advertising next to nothing on most of the games they pick up. Ace Attonery series is just one of those. Its easy to port over to another language. Now the Miles Edgeworth game may be one thing but the other sequels? They sold alright for a different genre handheld game. It is just that well these games aren't selling ENOUGH over here for CapCom's tastes.

also i am not really THAT mad about this game. It was just another thing for CapCom to do for me to add on my shit list with them

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 Post subject: Re: Ace Attorney Investigations 2
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Once again:

http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/sales/33 ... edgeworth/

About 150 K in this country is pretty terrible, Japan sales were actually double. I can fully understand why they would be so hesitant after that.

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 Post subject: Re: Ace Attorney Investigations 2
PostPosted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 11:47 am 
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Once again:

http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/sales/33 ... edgeworth/

About 150 K in this country is pretty terrible, Japan sales were actually double. I can fully understand why they would be so hesitant after that.

Its not just the Edgeworth game. Its the series itself. If this game doesn't get released, its most likely the other will stop being released as well. But I digress it doesn't matter. Its still another stupid little thing on my already made shit list with them. Alone it wouldn't be that big of a deal. But it just shows that they'll just keep shafting anything they can not milk

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You know what doesn't make sense about this? The game sold about as well as the others did outside Japan.

The only reason why Apollo Justice had really high sales is because of the sales in Japan, and Trials and Tribulations actually sold less outside of Japan than Investigations has so far (and so far is actually important, since you can still find the game)

It's not like the thing is hitting clearance bins, so I don't know what stick they got up their ass about it.

To be honest, translating a game and releasing it is a pretty good investment. Chances are the production cost is already covered by Japanese domestic sales, the out-side Japan sales just have to cover the translation costs, and it doesn't actually cost that much to translate a project (especially considering Capcom does it internally).

Consider that, Investigations 1 made roughly $6 Million USD at retail outside Japan. That sounds like a sizable profit.

The issue is, their profits aren't as high as they want. They want Ace Attorney 1 numbers, which they fail to realize they will never again reach outside Japan. (The game sold more because it was limited release, then they did small reprints, so all the units actually sold since it was a hotter item. Also, it was new and unique.)

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 Post subject: Re: Ace Attorney Investigations 2
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Crono pretty much nailed it. I also suspect this has SOMETHING to do with a change in Capcom's teams over the years, it feels to me that they're worried about going into the negative so they're stupidly rehashing and re releasing old titles that have "proven" that they sell well.

My biggest fear, as mentioned, is that Phoenix Wright is now essentially dead in the United States, until perhaps they make a new 3DS game and they take the risk with that.

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 Post subject: Re: Ace Attorney Investigations 2
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as i said it isnt just this game

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At first I completely got the bitching, but now it's just getting annoying.

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At first I completely got the bitching, but now it's just getting annoying.


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