decent show guys.

Just to let you know, memorization is a skill. The people who play fighting games are good because they know when you're vulnerable to certain attacks based on the animations and moves they see you do. Yes they've memorized them, but they also know what they need to hit to take advantage of that vulnerability.

You can't write something off just because it's based around memorization.

Also, when something's difficulty is increased, it does take more skill to beat it. Now a game like Halo, where you just get to respawn every time you die is hard to measure, but in games like that, the Measurement of skill comes from the difficulty you feel it taking to get through those games.. Makes sense. So If you play Legendary, but it takes you 30 hours, you're not good, you just soldiered through. But if you can rock it faster, and you don't die, it took you skills to do that.

People talk about subconscious things like memorization and reflex like it's not a valid skillset and that's ridiculous. Those are things that can be exercised and improved, and people who excell at FPS, and fighters and other genres, compete and win in tournaments have exercised those skills to a highly-competitive level.

BTW, Fatal1ty does play other games... he's a huge douche, but he's good for a reason, and it's not simply based on the fact that he's remembered where spawns are. Sure, he sticks to a lot of id titles, but He's an FPS guy, pretty sure he'd adjust his game accordingly if you challenged him to another game.

People who don't like or play fighters would say they take no skill. On the other hand, people who do like them and play them frequently would say they do take skill.

I agree with fighters being like counting cards but this is exactly why I would argue they do not take skill. Experience =/= skill. If it did, then athletes who have been playing their sport the longest would always be the best. That isn't the case because there is an element of skill involved in sports. Oftentimes you see rookies come right into a league and dominant. (e.g. Lebron James, Alexander Ovechkin, etc).

If I played the same number of games as Fatal1ty, I still probably wouldn't stand a chance against him. If I played the same number of games as a kid who plays fighters, me facing him would then be more of a toss up compared to my match against Fatal1ty.

Well your example is pitting video-games against an intensely physical activity like basketball. The physical ability it takes to play Basket ball well, is far different than what it takes to play a video game. The extent of your physical ability in a Video game, like a fighter, is pushing buttons and moving a joystick. Just like you're example, you take a guy who's just played fighters for a while and throw him up against someone like Daigo, or one of the other famous Fighters from a world tournament, and he'd have a tough time. Both because he might not retain all the information about the game that someone like Daigo or Justin Wong have worked to retain and the dexterity both of them have could be superior.


Counting cards is not like a fighing game. Dumbest thing I've heard in a while. . . . well. . . I work in IT, so it's the dumbest thing I've heard today.. Edit: Nevermind, just got a call from a secretary.. .it's now the 2nd dumbest thing.

At the highest levels of sports, it's not really about physical ability as much as it is about skill. They are all in such great shape in the NHL, NBA, etc that it's not like Lebron is so good because he's way more fit than someone else. It's that he has an that intangible something. That innate skill others lack.

And hey, they said it was like counting cards, not me.

Ah, Ok I see what you're saying now when comparing it that way.

But, I was referring to them saying it, not you, sorry. lol.