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 Post subject: Re: Swift Justice
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 Post subject: Re: Swift Justice
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well I just read the new article... not that you didn't bring up some good points but what did this line mean?

'From a business stance Capcom is doing nothing wrong with these actions, but a standpoint of morality would beg to differ. '
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..so they're morally wrong in producing a videogame?

I didn't think it revelatory that capcom were doing this to make money off the nostalgic market as much as make a fun little game, isn't that what all game developers have in mind?...to make enough money to keep going as well as pleasing their audiences? I dont think anybody thought 'capcom are ONLY doing this for the fans!'

if the game is fun, it doesen't matter whether it breaks new ground or not. Looks like they're developing a fun game so I don't see the problem, if capcom decided to only develop games such as this I'd say you'd have more of a point...but capcom are actually one of the most exciting developers in the industry right now.

I think the two worlds (innovation and retro) can and should co-exist.


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 Post subject: Re: Swift Justice
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Well I read the first two articles and the result is a resounding...ehh....

The reason I like the Game Heroes and features like TGWTG is because they are so unique. Honestly, Debaser just sounds like any other gamer out there with a keyboard, internet, and a large vocabulary. If his next piece is on the console wars, I would imagine he would say something like..."Well the Wii is innovative and has good first party games but lacks third party titles and has poor graphics. The 360 has a strong lineup of games and excellent online play capabilities, but online play costs money and it is prone to breaking. The PS3 has free online play and arguably the best graphics, but is expensive and has a poor lineup of games". Just type in "video game blog" on google and millions will come up just like his.

But that's just me, and I'm kind of cynical anyways. If you like it, well that's cool, it just means you like TGH even more. But for me, its just not unique enough.

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Well I read the first two articles and the result is a resounding...ehh....

The reason I like the Game Heroes and features like TGWTG is because they are so unique. Honestly, Debaser just sounds like any other gamer out there with a keyboard, internet, and a large vocabulary. If his next piece is on the console wars, I would imagine he would say something like..."Well the Wii is innovative and has good first party games but lacks third party titles and has poor graphics. The 360 has a strong lineup of games and excellent online play capabilities, but online play costs money and it is prone to breaking. The PS3 has free online play and arguably the best graphics, but is expensive and has a poor lineup of games". Just type in "video game blog" on google and millions will come up just like his.

But that's just me, and I'm kind of cynical anyways. If you like it, well that's cool, it just means you like TGH even more. But for me, its just not unique enough.


*sings* Ohhhh it's all been done!

And it has. All of it. Everything you see just about everywhere unless it's hot off the presses has been said and done plenty before. But we're trying to bring about different opinions in unique ways. But, just to ensure that you've done your homework, I decided to take your challenge.

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Here I am on page three of the Google search, and nothing seems to be coming close to what I talked about. Wait, there's that Destructoid article. Maybe there! Well... no. It's certainly nothing like I've talked about. None of this is. Strange.

So maybe it hasn't all been done afterall. I believe that I held a decent argument, but maybe that's simply me. However, I've been at this for a short while now. I don't see a lot of people who come off like me. I'd change everything I did if that were the case.

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 Post subject: Re: Swift Justice
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well I just read the new article... not that you didn't bring up some good points but what did this line mean?

'From a business stance Capcom is doing nothing wrong with these actions, but a standpoint of morality would beg to differ. '
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..so they're morally wrong in producing a videogame?

I didn't think it revelatory that capcom were doing this to make money off the nostalgic market as much as make a fun little game, isn't that what all game developers have in mind?...to make enough money to keep going as well as pleasing their audiences? I dont think anybody thought 'capcom are ONLY doing this for the fans!'

if the game is fun, it doesen't matter whether it breaks new ground or not. Looks like they're developing a fun game so I don't see the problem, if capcom decided to only develop games such as this I'd say you'd have more of a point...but capcom are actually one of the most exciting developers in the industry right now.

I think the two worlds (innovation and retro) can and should co-exist.


But that's the entire argument: they've proven in the past that they can create a respectable, marketable title without the use of 8-bit graphics. Why would they suddenly decide to produce the game in this manner? A lot of people out there believe that they're making the game in this manner specifically to pander to the 8-bit crowd instead of offering their very best product.

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 Post subject: Re: Swift Justice
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well I just read the new article... not that you didn't bring up some good points but what did this line mean?

'From a business stance Capcom is doing nothing wrong with these actions, but a standpoint of morality would beg to differ. '
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..so they're morally wrong in producing a videogame?

I didn't think it revelatory that capcom were doing this to make money off the nostalgic market as much as make a fun little game, isn't that what all game developers have in mind?...to make enough money to keep going as well as pleasing their audiences? I dont think anybody thought 'capcom are ONLY doing this for the fans!'

if the game is fun, it doesen't matter whether it breaks new ground or not. Looks like they're developing a fun game so I don't see the problem, if capcom decided to only develop games such as this I'd say you'd have more of a point...but capcom are actually one of the most exciting developers in the industry right now.

I think the two worlds (innovation and retro) can and should co-exist.


But that's the entire argument: they've proven in the past that they can create a respectable, marketable title without the use of 8-bit graphics. Why would they suddenly decide to produce the game in this manner? A lot of people out there believe that they're making the game in this manner specifically to pander to the 8-bit crowd instead of offering their very best product.


because many of us love 8-bit NOT just for the nostalgia, it has this great charm to it how it's lo-fi and primitive and that kind of bleepy music I mean...there's been a HUGE trend in chip tune music which has gone beyond nostalgia factor also but just an obsession with the way music from that era sounds. As much as nostalgia it's an aesthetic like of that style of graphics and in general the way the NES looked/sounded.


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 Post subject: Re: Swift Justice
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DigitalDebaser wrote:
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Well I read the first two articles and the result is a resounding...ehh....

The reason I like the Game Heroes and features like TGWTG is because they are so unique. Honestly, Debaser just sounds like any other gamer out there with a keyboard, internet, and a large vocabulary. If his next piece is on the console wars, I would imagine he would say something like..."Well the Wii is innovative and has good first party games but lacks third party titles and has poor graphics. The 360 has a strong lineup of games and excellent online play capabilities, but online play costs money and it is prone to breaking. The PS3 has free online play and arguably the best graphics, but is expensive and has a poor lineup of games". Just type in "video game blog" on google and millions will come up just like his.

But that's just me, and I'm kind of cynical anyways. If you like it, well that's cool, it just means you like TGH even more. But for me, its just not unique enough.


*sings* Ohhhh it's all been done!

And it has. All of it. Everything you see just about everywhere unless it's hot off the presses has been said and done plenty before. But we're trying to bring about different opinions in unique ways. But, just to ensure that you've done your homework, I decided to take your challenge.


Here I am on page three of the Google search, and nothing seems to be coming close to what I talked about. Wait, there's that Destructoid article. Maybe there! Well... no. It's certainly nothing like I've talked about. None of this is. Strange.

So maybe it hasn't all been done afterall. I believe that I held a decent argument, but maybe that's simply me. However, I've been at this for a short while now. I don't see a lot of people who come off like me. I'd change everything I did if that were the case.


Well pardon me, I wasn't aware this was a 70s hippy convention were saying the "H" word is akin to saying that you like man on man loving in the U.S. military.

I'm sorry I don't like your feature, but maybe next time you could just say "Well I guess someone doesn't like it, but that's ok, its just one guy's opinion." Instead of "Shit, he doesn't like it. I guess I better "prove" that it is unique."

Well I don't think its unique and no amount of "proof" is going to convince me otherwise. And why should you care? Obviously, a lot of other people like you, as you are now a feature on a fairly popular gaming website. So some random guy on the internet doesn't really care for it, what are you going to do?

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 Post subject: Re: Swift Justice
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Because I don't like it when people run me down and try to pass off their opinion to everyone as fact. You threw out a pretty nasty opinion of me with little proof, and I simply did my best to debunk it. That's how it goes.

And I do care about all of my readers here. If I didn't, I wouldn't be responding to nearly everything. You should see how often I reply to readers at ScrewAttack vs here.

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 Post subject: Re: Swift Justice
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Because I don't like it when people run me down and try to pass off their opinion to everyone as fact. You threw out a pretty nasty opinion of me with little proof, and I simply did my best to debunk it. That's how it goes.

And I do care about all of my readers here. If I didn't, I wouldn't be responding to nearly everything. You should see how often I reply to readers at ScrewAttack vs here.


Ok, this is wrong on so many levels.

A. I didn't try to pass my opinion as a fact. I just don't like video game blogs very much unless they have inside information or something other than just well written opinions.

B. My opinion wasn't nasty, I just said I didn't care for it. That's different than saying its the shittiest thing I have ever laid eyes on, which it isn't.

C. I don't need proof to have an opinion. That may be one of the stupidest statements I've heard in a while. I like the Star Wars movies, do I need to have "proof" for that too?

D. You can't debunk someones opinion by throwing facts at them. That's like is someone comes up to you and says they didn't like the new Transformers movie, and you say "Well the special effects and CG were highly advanced and looked very realistic" as if its somehow going to change what they thought of the movie in the first place.

And you say you care about your readers, well then maybe you should try and listen to what they are saying instead of being hostile whenever one of them has a less than perfect opinion of you.

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Yeah, when someone cuts me down and claims that I'm just another guy with a keyboard and a high vocabulary, that I'm unoriginal, and that my stuff is just like everyone else's within reach of a Google search, that's when I kinda want proof to the claims. Otherwise it's just mindless bashing. Do you have anything to say about the actual content, or am I suddenly larger than life?

If you check out the previous statements, I've discussed stuff with people on here thus far. But the difference is none of them have said that I'm just another guy, I'm just the same as everyone else, blah blah blah. They haven't really been complete jerkoffs to me, y'know?

What I think is stupid is this entire tirade. So allow me to correct myself. You don't need proof to support an opinion, but it certainly makes your last claim about everyone covering this look really dumb.

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 Post subject: Re: Swift Justice
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Yeah, when someone cuts me down and claims that I'm just another guy with a keyboard and a high vocabulary, that I'm unoriginal, and that my stuff is just like everyone else's within reach of a Google search, that's when I kinda want proof to the claims. Otherwise it's just mindless bashing. Do you have anything to say about the actual content, or am I suddenly larger than life?

If you check out the previous statements, I've discussed stuff with people on here thus far. But the difference is none of them have said that I'm just another guy, I'm just the same as everyone else, blah blah blah. They haven't really been complete jerkoffs to me, y'know?

What I think is stupid is this entire tirade. So allow me to correct myself. You don't need proof to support an opinion, but it certainly makes your last claim about everyone covering this look really dumb.


I didn't mean to cut you down or insult you or anything like that. I just thought that in a thread specifically created to express your thoughts about something they could be negative without being called a jerkoff and dumb by its creator.

Content? Okay here. In your mega man 8-bit blog, you said that Capcom is using the 8 bit aspect of things to exploit the nostalgia of people that grew up in our time.

Oh, thank you for explaining that to me, I couldn't tell by looking at pictures of the damn game.

And that's why I don't like video game blogs, I don't need some guy to hold my hand through the going ons in the video game world. And yours is just like any other. Oh, sure, maybe you're the only one who wrote about certain specifics, but you're no different from me or him or any other person on the internet when it really comes down to it. Which is precisely why I don't care for it.

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Yeah, when someone cuts me down and claims that I'm just another guy with a keyboard and a high vocabulary, that I'm unoriginal, and that my stuff is just like everyone else's within reach of a Google search, that's when I kinda want proof to the claims. Otherwise it's just mindless bashing. Do you have anything to say about the actual content, or am I suddenly larger than life?

If you check out the previous statements, I've discussed stuff with people on here thus far. But the difference is none of them have said that I'm just another guy, I'm just the same as everyone else, blah blah blah. They haven't really been complete jerkoffs to me, y'know?

What I think is stupid is this entire tirade. So allow me to correct myself. You don't need proof to support an opinion, but it certainly makes your last claim about everyone covering this look really dumb.


I didn't mean to cut you down or insult you or anything like that. I just thought that in a thread specifically created to express your thoughts about something they could be negative without being called a jerkoff and dumb by its creator.

Content? Okay here. In your mega man 8-bit blog, you said that Capcom is using the 8 bit aspect of things to exploit the nostalgia of people that grew up in our time.

Oh, thank you for explaining that to me, I couldn't tell by looking at pictures of the damn game.

And that's why I don't like video game blogs, I don't need some guy to hold my hand through the going ons in the video game world. And yours is just like any other. Oh, sure, maybe you're the only one who wrote about certain specifics, but you're no different from me or him or any other person on the internet when it really comes down to it. Which is precisely why I don't care for it.


Now you're getting somewhere. I said that they were exploiting it to pander to that crowd and make more money, but it's a start.

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Now I'm getting somewhere? That's what i've been saying all along.

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I just want to state for the record that there was two great games on the Dreamcast that were neglected: Evolution and Evolution 2. Before anyone says anything Evolution Worlds is just an Americanized remake that just glosses over Evolution 1's story and holds more focus with the second game. If you want proof just look at the early game video cut scenes and you'll notice that Mag's clothing is different then his in game.


By the way Evolution 1 and 2 are better on the Dreamcast anyway even if the voice over is in Japanesse.

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Thanks for letting me know about that one, man. I had a sneaking suspicion that I was missing some great titles Either way, Dreamcast equals good times.

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Sure was. And the game was voice controlled! Maybe Nintendo thought this was a cool idea and used it for the DS?

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