I agree but I think this is mostly to do with Capcom (and just about any of their popular games this gen it seems). I'm not a big fighting game guy to begin with but I was interested in SFIV and MvC3 when they first came out. All these rehashings are pissing me off beyond belief and really it's a middle finger to the fans that went out and bought the game day 1 or had the original on pre order since it was announced. Here's the major question I have with with MvC3: instead of releasing two versions of the game the same year why didn't they just delay the original another 8 months to really polish everything? Oh yeah, I forgot, they want our money... seriously I'm about done with Capcom. They may have been the best 3rd party developer when I was growing up but they're seriously just gouging their fanbase for every dollar they can.

Now, if Mortal Kombat does the same thing and releases some "ultimate" package I'll be done with fighting games... MK is the one fighting game right now that's keeping me in the fold.

Link, you have to understand who buys these games. The fighting game scene is huge, and as long as the companies churning out the games have their support, they'll be doing just fine. If you noticed throughout the years, Capcom has thrown so many Street Fighters and Street Fighter subseries, yet they always manage to do well. Same with SNK. They make a King of Fighters every year, yet the community continues buying it. We may be mad that we're getting ripped off, but with the support of the tourny people, they won't be stopping anytime soon.

That's the reason why the music genre took a downfall. They don't have a solid group of people who constantly buy the games, hence why oversaturation killed the genre and turned off so many people. Little things like roster rebalancing and nerfing characters mean nothing to the most of us (the non tourny audience), but mean a lot more to the people at EVO or whatnot. So much so, that they're willing to buy the Super, Ultimate, or Arcade Edition as long as they are familiar with the fighting and balance changes.

I like to think as fighting games really similar to online games, like DotA, LoL and the likes. A lot of times characters are imbalanced. Like the flaw they had with Brawl where Metaknight was broken but they didn't fix it.

SSFIV and MVC3 are those kind of games too. When SFIV came out Sagat was nuked the fuck up, massive range, massive built, overwhelming power. To keep the competitive nature of the game, they re-release it. If not, you'll see almost everyone using Sagat online and in tourneys and that's not fun.

MK does that last I heard.

Also, have you heard of this thing called money? It's an amazing thing and it's better to have more of it.

Oh yeah definitely they can go the easy route with the patch. In hindsight SSFIV was too big of a DLC for distribution, It's practically a new game. And it's Capcom, they always release shit by the threes. The Street Fighter 2 series, Alpha and so on.

I'm not saying Capcom is right, but they do have this niche that practically buys all 3 sets. They usually fuck up early adopters anyway why not wait?

has anyone here watched EVO at all this weekend

finals are today, looking forward to combofiend in the MvC3 tourney

get hyped for that bionic arm

also justin wong after that incredible comeback with akuma last night

there was an 8 year old in the tourney earlier, pretty skilled, but unfortunately only made it into the quarter finals : (

(hope a yun doesn't win the super street fighter 4 tourney (prolly will (diago)))

I saw a few matches. It was pretty neat.

I've been playing some Street Fighter IV again and it's a bit hard getting back in. I've been mostly playing as Ibuki and Ryu, but I can't even do a simple combo any more.

Also, I sent my copy of MvC 3 back to Capcom. I really don't regret buying the game. I had a fantastic time with it, and unlike other fighters, I liked playing as a majority of the roster. I'm still surprised that most of the characters I wanted are in UMvC 3. Can't wait to play as them.

oh man these mvc3 finals are intense

very intense. but too much phoenix . I watched the finals for mvc, ssf4 and sf 3rd strike. street fighter 4 was amazing too

I don't mind the use of Phoenix so much. Partly because Sent was used prominently in 2, and since she's top tier, it would only make sense to use her. Plus, I use her all of the time as well, along with Wesker and Wolvie. =P

And wow, Poongko gave Daigo a good beating. He totally earned that win. I also caught some MK 9 and Perfect Legend played a good Kung Lao. I just don't understand why Tom Brady suddenly switched to Subby when he was doing just fine with Johnny Cage. Might catch some MvC 3 later tomorrow.

phoenix is just annoying/boring to watch, especially that last set in the finals. dark phoenix is mostly keep away and spamming projectiles. she goes down if you get a good combo or super combo on her, which would be great, except she fires so many projectiles and teleports all over that it becomes such an uphill battle every time. it feels like I'm watching somebody go up against a cheap boss character.

I hear Viscant is a good guy and all, but I just don't like most phoenix players. it was sad to see one win, even after two (or maybe just one?) others in the final 8 got beaten fast.

that match reset win PR Rog pulled off with tron was amazing not only because it was 1 against 3 + dark phoenix, but also because tron wasn't getting much use outside of her assist. it was fun to watch her tear shit up.

also I was hoping to see combofiend use his spencer more, but unfortunately his opponents just know how good he is with him and shut him before he was able to use him much.

in the end it had some highlights, and I wouldn't say it was a waste of time, I just felt disappointed, is all.

best moment of the MVC3 finals:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQeb7alAFs0#t=1h12m14s

SSFIV:AE finals, luckily, had so many amazing moments that I dunno which one I would call the best.

As much as I like to play as Phoenix, you were right, it was boring watching her play and it was annoying to see him win just by playing keep away. I felt that the other guy deserved it much more than him. He had a really strong Wolvie, Dante, and Tron. Also, that KO with Tron was beyond awesome. Don't get me wrong, the other dude played great (or he wouldn't be in the finals). It's just that Dark Phoenix's cheapness gave him the win, whereas the other guy played a way better all around set. But I think that once Ultimate hits the stores, we'll be seeing a lot less Phoenix players.

Wesker also seemed to be played a lot, and I'm not surprised. He has a ton of great combos and his gun attack can be really handy in picking the opponents back up. I'm also surprised at the people using Thor. Didn't expect that, although he is a fun character.

My favorite matches for AE were both from Daigo, funny enough. Alex Valle played a great Ryu and Poongko just destroyed him with Seth. It's like he was reading Daigo's every move and that perfect was just a nail in the coffin.

Here's the Daigo/Valle matchup in case anybody else didn't catch it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9dTq41pX2I

I also watched some Tekken and it was okay, but they did show a bit of Tekken Tag 2 and it looks pretty awesome. I'm thinking of getting back into Tekken by wither trying out Tekken X Street Fighter or Tekken Tag 2.

I guess I should watch a bit of the BlazBlue matches just to see how they play. Keep in mind that in all of these fighting games, I've only played Street Fighter IV and MvC 3, so I have little no idea how the rest play.

yeah, it sounds like wesker is a great all around character, and his low shot is one of the best assists in the game.

I hear they might be nerfing tron's fire assist. I predict a lot less people will be using her, unfortunately : (

Wesker is probably my second favorite newcomer in MvC 3, after X-23. Sadly I never used Tron in MvC 3, but now I kind of want to. Too bad I have to wait until UMvC 3 comes out to play to try her out. D= I'm also kind of bummed out for not seeing too much Dormammu, Taskmaster, nor Deadpool so far. They're both great characters, but I haven't seen them played too much. But I've mostly been watching the finals, so maybe I'll see them later.

Next year will definitely play different for MvC 3 and AE, since Phoenix will be getting a nerf, as well as the brothers. I'm guessing by his following that Strider will be seen a ton. Overall, I enjoyed AE the most so far. Between that and MvC 3, MvC had its cheap tactics taken too much advantage with, while AE had a lot more exciting fights. Then again, it's MvC, so it's meant to be ridiculously broken. I just wonder how Viscant would have done without Dark Phoenix. Then again, he stood well without using any hypers, so that does prove his skill. I still can't help but feel that he was being cheap with Dark Phoenix by constantly playing keep away and spamming, despite playing a good Wesker and a good Haggar assist.

yeah, it was fun seeing him use hagger and wesker when he did, but it was just disappointing with dark phoenix, really. although, another thing that makes the matches less interesting is that most phoenix players don't use their super meter at all, so you never really see them using any combos involving supers or anything (unless it's dark phoenix).

dorm and taskmaster got represented pretty well, I thought. a couple players in the quarter and semi finals used them I think (I know combofiend used taskmaster). deadpool not as much, although I remember spotting a couple matches with him in them.